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“The Kingdom,” the latest novel by the best-selling Norwegian crime writer Jo Nesbo, doesn’t feature Nesbo’s usual protagonist, Harry Hole. It’s about two brothers and a dark family secret. On this week’s podcast, Nesbo talks about the book, as well as his work routines and his former careers — as a stockbroker and a rock star.

“I see myself mainly as a storyteller,” Nesbo says of his life in music and books. “I was the worst musician in the band; the rest of the guys, they are really good musicians. But I could write songs and I could write stories, so that was sort of my ticket to be in the band. In that respect, me writing lyrics — pop songs of 3 ½ minutes — that was sort of my school for writing in general, and even for writing novels.”

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David Michaelis visits the podcast to talk about “Eleanor,” his new biography of Eleanor Roosevelt. He discusses, among other subjects, the dynamics that maintained Roosevelt’s relationship with her husband.